7mm The Old Man's Workbench - tales of a rivet side

[Dog Star]

Found these, may be of some use, not sure if it's a TTA but looks dual braked in one of the shots.

Thank you for these Mick, any idea as to where or when?

Whilst the headstocks show that the wagon was air-braked there are no air-brake fittings on the underframe (there are various pipe ends / unions visible). I am unable to "read" the photos in respect of the vacuum pipe... maybe the wagon had a through pipe for use in vacuum heads?

The photos show much of the brake gear arrangement and I think that I can "read" how the rods / levers apply the brakes. Interesting that the brake yokes have a "plate" appearance rather than the "open" look of a traditional steam age wagon. What I am surprised to see is the SAM slack adjuster (hiding between the longitudinal members and not visible in a side view).

Now a question for the anoraks.... what is the purpose of the light colour pipe which seems to be running end to end and around the inner face of the wheels?

regards, Graham

 

[Ressaldar]

Now a question for the anoraks.... what is the purpose of the light colour pipe which seems to be running end to end and around the inner face of the wheels?regards, Graham

Graham, your questions are so tempting - they are there to check sideplay due to the use of outside bearings - if they had had inside bearings, then washers would have been used

cheers

Mike

 

[mickoo]

Graham,

It's Finsbury Park and it's a BR rerailing exercise as Heather correctly points out and it's from BRILL but heavily cropped, I can find the date tonight if it's in the article but there is a class 15 in attendance so that narrows it considerably. This exercise is using jacks to push the wagon upright, there are other articles that show airbags and in one case using a Hymek and I think I've seen a Warship in one exercise as well, they also seem to do this at open days, I dimly recall a Western or Warship going through the same woes at Bristol Bath Road at an open day as a public demonstration.

Not sure about the white pipe (rope/wire?) but suspect it's probably something to do with the exercise.

Theres a couple more pictures, one end and one top which I didn't think were of interest but I can scan those as well if people are interested.

 

[Dog Star]

It's Finsbury Park and it's a BR rerailing exercise as Heather correctly points out and it's from BRILL. ... I can find the date tonight if it's in the article.

Theres a couple more pictures, one end and one top ... I can scan those as well if people are interested.

Mick, is there any indication as to the fleet owner of the wagon? or as to what happened to the wagon after putting the correct way up?

Interested in the other images.

regards, Graham

 

[alcazar]

Mick, is there any indication as to the fleet owner of the wagon? or as to what happened to the wagon after putting the correct way up?

Interested in the other images.

regards, Graham

The giant hand in the sky put it back on the workbench for a light respray?

 

[Ressaldar]

You have been taking lessons from the Master of Smart Replies....

.......................I'm getting the drift from yours

cheers

Mike

 

[mickoo]

Ok re-rail exercise was Sept 76, no clues as to where wagon went next but it was part of a roving demonstration of the new equipment so probably went to quite a few depots until it was so badly bent it was out of gauge.

 

[Bob Reid]

.......What I am surprised to see is the SAM slack adjuster (hiding between the longitudinal members and not visible in a side view)......
regards, Graham

I've no idea what works would have fitted these Graham;


On the other hand maybe it's a SAB "Bromsregulator" all the way from Malmo you mean....

It certainly looks like an automatic slack adjuster. Most air braked stock (probably built or fitted after the mid 60s though they were used much earlier) would have had them - air brake cylinders had quite a small stroke and some reliable means of automatically adjusting the brake blocks over the life of a set of blocks helped no end to reduce the amount of maintenance required..... Every time the brakes were applied and released, the unit attempted to shorten the brake pull rod and take up any slack in the system, restoring the correct brake block clearance....



Bob.R

 

[hrmspaul]

6615 is part of a large batch of Class B lagged 45ton wagons built by Metro Cammell for Shell Mex & BP in 1966. Full batch is 6451 - 6802 regd. BRM 186748 - 187136. Originally Diag 6/186. David & MEtcalfe Air brake with SAB regulator. The photo shows, as expected it will have had a vacuum through pipe - painted white on the steel of the end of the pipe.

Paul Bartlett

 

[garethevans1986]

The first photo shows the white swan neck vaccum pipe which means through piped (no vac brake but continious pipe through the length of the train)...

 

[Dog Star]

Easy to say, "Just get some figures" said Boris.

Easy if the model is a kettle... easy if the model is a Blue meanie.

Not so easy if the model is a diesel of the 1960s.

So there we were, searching the net for driver / secondman appropriate for a diesel crew of the 1960s - possible sources being Phoenix, Omen, Aiden Campbell, A C Stadden, Hereos of the Footplate... so close and not quite. Looking high and low at the York Show was not able to sort anything and forgetting about the ALSRM Show was a silly thing to do. After much deliberation - read as several cups of tea - a short list of possible Little Peeps was drawn up and orders placed. Here are the results.

First, the crew for a Maroon Wezzie circa 1962 -3. This model is going to have an Inspector and the intended chappie was going to be Stan French, the only suitable figure (A184) for a steam era inspector seemed a bit portly for Stan and I am sure that Stan never had a watch and chain - I may have to find another prototype (Ernie Nutty would be nice as a mark of respect for the Gentleman). For the early 1960s I felt that the crew would most likely be a steam driver and his mate who had moved across hence "Bib and Tucker" plus grease cap. The secondman is the middle figure (A179) and looks suitably un-concerned. The driver is a challenge... I like the pose of the LHS figure (A175) and the dress / cap is appropriate - however, neither arm seems to be in the correct position for the controls so some alteration is due.


I telephoned Nigel (Omen) to talk through the options and Nigel agreed to provide a "seconds" figure for surgery. So somewhere on a dark night the driver (above) and the driver (below) shall have a meeting. I welcome your suggestions as to which torso / arm / head combination is most suitable for a JLTRT Western... over to you Boris!


regards, Graham

 

[Dog Star]

A second installment on the subject of figures for diesel crew. In the first part I covered a quest for a driver, second man and a Locomotive Inspector to be included in a model of a circa 1962 Maroon Western - to be the motive power for the 09.10 PDN to Birmingham and further north (at that time this was known as the Inter City although there was no headboard). In this part I shall be covering the selected figures for another Wizzo... might be a Maroon example from the mid-late 1960s or a blue version from the late 1960s - early 1970s. So, corporate image is now the thing and grease caps are on the way out.

The first photo shows offerings from Heroes of the Footplate. We quite like these figures, especially that one of the figures has moveable arms. Three figures - two seats. As yet we are not sure just which two are going to be on their way to Happy Hydraulics of Honley... some trial and error detective work is needed. Which do you fancy Boris?


The description of this figure seemed to be a possibility so a sample was obtained. Could be a late 1960s driver or a secondman.

regards, Graham

 

[john lewsey]

I agree that a lot of the figures don't look scale I got these from heroes of the foot plate and they seem more in proportion than some of the others

 

[Dog Star]

Clearly this Special Tank has uncovered the problem with building so many wagons of late... I must get Ganger Harvie to lay more track

 

[mickoo]

(right hand not anywhere near to what is required for dead man's handle).
View attachment 21853
regards, Graham

Can't recall seeing any diesel or electric locos that I've been on the footplate of with deadmans handles? Tube stock yes, some early EMUs perhaps and I think DMU's too but I recall locos used a foot treadle, often activated with drivers bag suitably weighted with house bricks or locally obtained ballast.

 

[Dog Star]

Can't recall seeing any diesel or electric locos that I've been on the footplate of with deadmans handles? Tube stock yes, some early EMUs perhaps and I think DMU's too but I recall locos used a foot treadle, often activated with drivers bag suitably weighted with house bricks or locally obtained ballast.

Just checking..... and I thought you would be asleep after all of the excitement at Felixstowe this past week .

regards, Graham

 

[taliesin]

You lucky people , try sourcing figures in 1/32 scale , a quick question, when did BR drivers go from wearing the grease top style to wearing the corporate style, before 1970? by this i mean the hat that looks a bit like the french foreign legion jobby, cheers Rob

 

[Dog Star]

...when did BR drivers go from wearing the grease top style to wearing the corporate style, before 1970? by this i mean the hat that looks a bit like the french foreign legion jobby, cheers Rob

I feel that late 1960s / early 1970s is about correct and there is probably no clear cut-over. From what I recall of the period, the more elderly steam crews retained the grease cap longer than most and the "new breed" of traction crews went with the pill box from when the new, corporate, uniform was issued.

regards, Prof. Barking

 

[taliesin]

I feel that late 1960s / early 1970s is about correct and there is probably no clear cut-over. From what I recall of the period, the more elderly steam crews retained the grease cap longer than most and the "new breed" of traction crews went with the pill box from when the new, corporate, uniform was issued.

regards, Prof. Barking

Many thanks Prof, what a splendid chap you are, I can now go ahead and get a figure for my Class 22, cheers Rob

 

[ZiderHead]

View attachment 21879 I agree that a lot of the figures don't look scale I got these from heroes of the foot plate and they seem more in proportion than some of the others

Those look really good, and they dont seem to suffer from the massive head syndrome that some figures are afflicted with.